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Re: MSP 16 with external monitor blanks out

Posted: Sat 17. Nov 2018, 19:04
by impartrobot
Reporting back to say I'm able to mirror my MSP16 on a chromecast connected to my monitor with zero issue, the screen doesn't black out. Chromecast can't extend the desktop and has quite a bit of lag, however. I'm going to buy a miracast dongle and report back here if I can make it work.

Re: MSP 16 with external monitor blanks out

Posted: Wed 21. Nov 2018, 06:56
by impartrobot
Reporting back to say the workaround I thought of works! I bought the ScreenBeamMini2, and connected to it wirelessly with MiraCast, and the screen doesn't black out like it does when I have the USB-c to HDMI. No noticable lag either. YouTube videos get a little blocky/pixelated sometimes, but that's not a big deal to me.

Re: MSP 16 with external monitor blanks out

Posted: Thu 17. Jan 2019, 18:50
by PrielHackim
hello eveyone.
so intel new driver (2019 update) and win 1809 update dont change anything. main screen still blanking out when connect to external screen.

BUT THERE IS A MAGIC SOLUTION !!!!!!

ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS TO CONNECT YOUR MSP TO 2 MONITORS VIA USB C AT ONES

and everything is fine again . no blinking no nothing

its clearly a driver issue and i think its very embarrassing from wacom to lunch such a Garbage can device wirh this huge price tag.

Re: MSP 16 with external monitor blanks out

Posted: Mon 25. Mar 2019, 18:09
by dmeerpa
I already reported in Mars 2018 this was a driver issue, because with an old Intel Iris driver driver v154014.4352 It was stable.
Just after a reboot you got issues, so you needed to shutdown before restarting your PC.
But after a windows or probably firmware update from the Wacom, this solution no longer works.
2 year ago I had a solution and that was to connect my Monitor via HDMI en DP at the same time (you need 2 USB C adapters). I guess DP and mini DP works also.
So the tablet sees to 2 external screens. You just clone both screens and you are done.
I think this will have an minimal impact on system performance, because you now have 3 screens connected, so the GPU has to work harder. But I have never seen any difference in photo editing.

But for a more then 3000€ computer, a topic with more then 32000 views, Wacom support is null. Having a 2000€ external 32" 4K monitor that is useless because Wacom say f*ck to there customers, I will say the same for my next pencomputer.

PrielHackim wrote:hello eveyone.
so intel new driver (2019 update) and win 1809 update dont change anything. main screen still blanking out when connect to external screen.

BUT THERE IS A MAGIC SOLUTION !!!!!!

ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS TO CONNECT YOUR MSP TO 2 MONITORS VIA USB C AT ONES

and everything is fine again . no blinking no nothing

its clearly a driver issue and i think its very embarrassing from wacom to lunch such a Garbage can device wirh this huge price tag.

Re: MSP 16 with external monitor blanks out

Posted: Tue 26. Mar 2019, 10:49
by wacom5
These issues have been reported and are being investigated. We have not been able to find the source yet. I have been able to replicate the issue to certain extent but trying a different cables seem to work often for many customers.

Re: MSP 16 with external monitor blanks out

Posted: Sat 13. Apr 2019, 16:35
by dmeerpa
wacom5 wrote:These issues have been reported and are being investigated. We have not been able to find the source yet. I have been able to replicate the issue to certain extent but trying a different cables seem to work often for many customers.



I tried 3 Display port cables and 1 HDMI cable always the same issue.
I'm for 99,9% certain that it is a sofware/firmware.driver issue maybe in conjunction with WACOM's mainboard.

Removing the Intel IRIS driver, and using a generic Microsoft driver (you will not have 4K) this works rock solid.
Using the Intel driver, reducing the resolution (to even the same as with the MS generic driver) doesn't help, so this means it is related to the GPU driver.

During a long time it was working with a very old Intel IRIS driver, only issue was when you rebooted you got the black outs. You had to power off, and then restart. But then Windows did an update toghether with a Wacom firmware upgrade and this solution was also broken.

Strange enough when I connect to dongles (USB-C to HDMI and a USB-C to DisplayPort) and connect both to the same monitor (Windows then sees 2 external screens which I mirror) then everything works flawless. In reality the monitor only uses one signal HDMI or DisplayPort, so again this means no hardware issues with the dongle or cable. This means we are even asking more ressources of the GPU, MEM, CPU because Windows had to manage 3 instead of 2 screens.

Re: MSP 16 with external monitor blanks out

Posted: Mon 15. Apr 2019, 10:21
by wacom5
dmeerpa wrote:
wacom5 wrote:These issues have been reported and are being investigated. We have not been able to find the source yet. I have been able to replicate the issue to certain extent but trying a different cables seem to work often for many customers.



I tried 3 Display port cables and 1 HDMI cable always the same issue.
I'm for 99,9% certain that it is a sofware/firmware.driver issue maybe in conjunction with WACOM's mainboard.

Removing the Intel IRIS driver, and using a generic Microsoft driver (you will not have 4K) this works rock solid.
Using the Intel driver, reducing the resolution (to even the same as with the MS generic driver) doesn't help, so this means it is related to the GPU driver.

During a long time it was working with a very old Intel IRIS driver, only issue was when you rebooted you got the black outs. You had to power off, and then restart. But then Windows did an update toghether with a Wacom firmware upgrade and this solution was also broken.

Strange enough when I connect to dongles (USB-C to HDMI and a USB-C to DisplayPort) and connect both to the same monitor (Windows then sees 2 external screens which I mirror) then everything works flawless. In reality the monitor only uses one signal HDMI or DisplayPort, so again this means no hardware issues with the dongle or cable. This means we are even asking more ressources of the GPU, MEM, CPU because Windows had to manage 3 instead of 2 screens.

This is great information. I will pass it along to the team. Thank you for your patience and for your thorough feedback. Hopefully this will help.

Re: MSP 16 with external monitor blanks out

Posted: Sun 28. Jul 2019, 08:01
by philwee
Hi, just shifted from my Wacom MSP13 to MSP16 and immediately hit the same problem of the screen blanking out when connected to the external monitor. The external monitor setup is exactly the same as when I was using the MSP13 and the MSP13 works fine. I did a bit of research and also testing with various cables, adapters etc and this is what I found out.

First USB-c does not mean Thunderbolt 3. It describes the physical connection but not the signal. There are a number of USB-c to HDMI adapters out there that claims to support 4K/60 MHz HDMI but in general they don't indicate they are Thunderbolt 3 compliant. You need a USB-c Thunderbolt 3 to HDMI adapter.

With this adapter, I was able to eliminate 97% of the MSP main screen blanking out. A further tweak is per some of the posting below which is to downgrade the Intel IRIS 550 driver to version 20.19.15.4352 after which so far it has not blinked. I did test the setup with Intel's latest driver and I do get a blink here and there but not as bad as before. (I found that having MS excel running on the external monitor and You-tube running on the main screen on Chrome replicates the blinking problem without fail. Just scrolling the sidebar will almost bring about a blink.)

Although some of the literature claim that only the middle USB-c PORT of the MSP16 is Thunderbolt ready, I am able to plug the USB-c Thunderbolt compliant HDMI adapter to any port and it works fine. Hope this helps. rgds

Philip

Re: MSP 16 with external monitor blanks out

Posted: Sun 3. Nov 2019, 11:40
by PrielHackim
hello all.
I check what @philwee wrote. and Wallla!

when you connect SAME SCREEN WITH 2 ADAPTERS everything work fine (window recognize 3 screens) (one HDMI and One DP)

so again it clearly a driver issue and not a dongle specs.....

(by the way i have already like 5 adapters that i bought and it is the same result with all of them.)

i cant believe this problem didnt got fixed by Wacom.
and i cant recommend anyone to buy this device.

never mind that i got allredy 3 devices overheat with screen problem that wacom kindly replaced with a new one. but all of the main problems remain the same. (leging , overheat, sudentlyshot downs, screen bleed, screen defects, screen spots, screen dead pixel, screen flickering and more)

i would relay think wacom should admit that this device have a defected hardware . and should be recalled.

im so sorry, and wish it was not the case, this was supposed to be my dream computer that i saved so much time to buy. and turn out this way

(my model i7/512)

priel

Re: MSP 16 with external monitor blanks out

Posted: Sat 25. Jan 2020, 10:17
by dmeerpa
wacom5 wrote:This is great information. I will pass it along to the team. Thank you for your patience and for your thorough feedback. Hopefully this will help.


So Wacom5, we are almost 1 year later, what is the status of this still frustrating issue, because in the mean time we are already waiting 3,5 years for a solution ?
Which I personally find totally unacceptable towards your customers who bought the best of the best (at least that's what we thought) !

Maybe Wacom should also explain, why we still should buy Wacom stuff if they are clearly frustrating users and we must not expect a solution ?